{"id":4898,"date":"2014-02-26T16:35:24","date_gmt":"2014-02-26T16:35:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.revistarambla.com\/iconfias-en-artur-mas\/"},"modified":"2019-08-28T02:28:11","modified_gmt":"2019-08-28T00:28:11","slug":"junqueras-confias-en-artur-mas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.revistarambla.com\/en\/junqueras-confias-en-artur-mas\/","title":{"rendered":"Junqueras: \u00bfConf\u00edas en Artur Mas?"},"content":{"rendered":"

La pregunta<\/span>: \u201c\u00bfT\u00fa<\/span> conf\u00edas<\/span> en Artur<\/span> mas<\/span>?\u201d le fue<\/span> realizada<\/span> al l\u00edder<\/span> de Esquerra<\/span> Republicana<\/span> de Catalunya<\/span> (ERC<\/span>), Oriol<\/span> Junqueras<\/span>, por<\/span> un estudiante<\/span> de la Universitat<\/span> Pompeu<\/span> Fabra<\/span> durante<\/span> una<\/span> charla<\/span> que<\/span> el presidente<\/span> de ERC<\/span> mantuvo<\/span> en el Campus Ciutadella<\/span> de dicha<\/span> universidad<\/span> catalana<\/span>, el pasado<\/span> 18 de febrero<\/span>. <\/strong><\/p>\n

Despu\u00e9s<\/span> de una<\/span> hora<\/span> de conferencia<\/span> econ\u00f3mica<\/span> que<\/span> levant\u00f3<\/span> m\u00e1s<\/span> de un bostezo<\/span>, a pesar<\/span> de las<\/span> indudables<\/span> cualidades<\/span> did\u00e1cticas<\/span> de Junqueras<\/span>, historiador<\/span> y doctor en historia<\/span> del pensamiento<\/span> econ\u00f3mico<\/span>, los alumnos<\/span> pudieron<\/span> realizar<\/span> preguntas<\/span> que<\/span> animaron<\/span> el acto<\/span>. Aqu\u00ed<\/span> les resumimos<\/span> algunas<\/span> de las<\/span> ideas expuestas<\/span> por<\/span> el dirigente<\/span> independentista<\/span> y las<\/span> interrogaciones<\/span> de los j\u00f3venes<\/span>.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\"junqueras\"<\/a><\/p>\n

El discurso<\/span> de Junqueras<\/span> quer\u00eda<\/span> tener<\/span> un perfil<\/span> de izquierdas<\/span>, siempre<\/span> moderada<\/span>, posibilista<\/span>, eso<\/span> s\u00ed<\/span> -y que<\/span> a algunos<\/span> nos puede<\/span> sonar socialdem\u00f3crata<\/span>-, y para<\/span> ello<\/span> no dej\u00f3<\/span> de citar<\/span>: \u201cHay un divorcio<\/span> creciente<\/span> entre<\/span> la pol\u00edtica<\/span> y el poder\u201d<\/span><\/strong>, y para<\/span> evidenciar<\/span> que<\/span> el \u201cpoder\u201d<\/span> lo tienen<\/span> los de siempre<\/span>, una<\/span> obviedad<\/span> que<\/span> no necesitaba<\/span> ninguna<\/span> clase<\/span> magistral<\/span>, Junqueras<\/span> explic\u00f3<\/span> la an\u00e9cdota<\/span> del ex presidente<\/span> del Brasil<\/span>, Lula, cuando<\/span> corrigi\u00f3<\/span> a un periodista<\/span> dici\u00e9ndole<\/span> que<\/span> ellos<\/span> no hab\u00edan<\/span> llegado<\/span> al poder<\/span>, sino<\/span> al gobierno<\/span><\/strong>. Estas<\/span> amenazasdel<\/span> poder<\/span> econ\u00f3mico<\/span> que<\/span> crea<\/span> las<\/span> crisis econ\u00f3micas<\/span> combinando<\/span> inflaci\u00f3n<\/span>, deflaci\u00f3n<\/span> y recortes<\/span> salariales<\/span>, las<\/span> trajo<\/span> el l\u00edder<\/span> de ERC<\/span> a la actualidad<\/span> de la pol\u00edtica<\/span> catalana<\/span>, ya<\/span> que<\/span> en el fondo<\/span> de esta<\/span> reflexi\u00f3n<\/span> estaba<\/span> una<\/span> respuesta<\/span>, que<\/span> m\u00e1s<\/span> tarde<\/span> concretar\u00eda<\/span>, a los dirigentes<\/span> de las<\/span> organizaciones<\/span> patronales<\/span> de la CEOE<\/span> y Foment del Treball<\/span>, que<\/span> en estos<\/span> d\u00edas<\/span> han<\/span> hecho<\/span> declaraciones<\/span> desmarc\u00e1ndose<\/span> del proceso<\/span> soberanista<\/span>: \u201cLos que<\/span> m\u00e1s<\/span> lecciones<\/span> dan<\/span> sobre<\/span> las<\/span> bondades<\/span> de la libre<\/span> competencia<\/span> \u2013y que<\/span> no quieren<\/span> que<\/span> los ciudadanos<\/span> voten<\/span>– despu\u00e9s<\/span> no la practican\u201d<\/span><\/strong>. Aqu\u00ed<\/span> Junqueras<\/span> se refiri\u00f3<\/span> al control de unos<\/span> pocos<\/span> sobre<\/span> el mercado<\/span>, el oligopolio<\/span> de los bancos<\/span> y el sector energ\u00e9tico<\/span>, diciendo<\/span>: \u201cAlgunos<\/span> de aquellos<\/span> que<\/span> les gusta<\/span> llamarse<\/span> \u201cgrandes<\/span> empresarios\u201d<\/span> del pa\u00eds<\/span> y que<\/span>, en general, gestionan<\/span> empresas<\/span> que<\/span> est\u00e1n<\/span> fuera<\/span> del mercado<\/span> competitivo<\/span>, porque<\/span> act\u00faan<\/span> en mercados<\/span> de precio<\/span> regulado<\/span> por<\/span> el sector p\u00fablico\u201d<\/span><\/strong>. Junqueras<\/span> record\u00f3<\/span> que<\/span> la \u201cinmensa<\/span> mayor\u00eda\u201d<\/span> <\/strong>de las<\/span> empresas<\/span> catalanas<\/span> no est\u00e1n<\/span> en el Foment, y apel\u00f3<\/span> a construir<\/span> grandes<\/span> consensos<\/span> para<\/span> construir<\/span> un discurso<\/span> que<\/span> se pueda<\/span> explicar<\/span> al: \u201c90% de los empresarios<\/span> que<\/span> s\u00ed<\/span> trabajan\u201d<\/span><\/strong>.Para terminar<\/span> sobre<\/span> este<\/span> punto<\/span> a\u00f1adi\u00f3<\/span>: \u201cNos hemos<\/span> pasado<\/span> veinte<\/span> a\u00f1os<\/span> oyendo<\/span> que<\/span> lo que<\/span> hab\u00eda<\/span> que<\/span> hacer<\/span> era liberalizar<\/span> el mercado<\/span> energ\u00e9tico<\/span>, y dicho<\/span> mercado<\/span> no est\u00e1<\/span> liberalizado<\/span>, est\u00e1<\/span> privatizado<\/span>, pero<\/span> no liberalizado<\/span>. Y el mercado<\/span> de las<\/span> comunicaciones<\/span>, en muchos<\/span> aspectos<\/span>, tampoco<\/span> ha estado<\/span> liberalizado<\/span>. Muchos<\/span> otros<\/span> mercados<\/span> relevantes<\/span> para<\/span> el futuro<\/span> de nuestra<\/span> econom\u00eda<\/span>, no son mercados<\/span> regulados<\/span> por<\/span> la libre<\/span> competencia<\/span>. El sector financiero<\/span> est\u00e1<\/span> m\u00e1s<\/span> concentrado<\/span> que<\/span> nunca<\/span>, y es<\/span> m\u00e1s<\/span> oligopolista<\/span> que<\/span> nunca\u201d<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Despu\u00e9s<\/span> de decir<\/span> que<\/span> los estados<\/span> europeos<\/span> actuales<\/span> est\u00e1n<\/span> haciendo<\/span> muy<\/span> poco<\/span> para<\/span> solucionar<\/span> los retos<\/span> econ\u00f3micos<\/span>, dio<\/span> un dato<\/span> significativo<\/span>: \u201cLas tres<\/span> \u00faltimas<\/span> crisis econ\u00f3micas<\/span> del Estado<\/span> espa\u00f1ol<\/span>, y con \u00e9l<\/span> Catalunya<\/span>, han<\/span> llevado<\/span> consigo<\/span> un 20% de paro<\/span>, cosa<\/span> que<\/span> no ha pasado<\/span> en otras<\/span> econom\u00edas<\/span> del mundo<\/span> occidental. S\u00ed<\/span> no ha pasado<\/span> en otras<\/span> econom\u00edas<\/span> debe<\/span> ser<\/span> porque<\/span> no es<\/span> inevitable que<\/span> pase<\/span>. \u00a0\u00bfAlgo<\/span> estaremos<\/span> haciendo<\/span> mal? Debemos<\/span> reflexionar<\/span> sobre<\/span> nuestros<\/span> modelos<\/span> productivos<\/span> (\u2026), hemos<\/span> creado<\/span> puestos<\/span> de trabajo<\/span> en sectores<\/span> con poco<\/span> valor a\u00f1adido<\/span>, muy<\/span> por<\/span> debajo<\/span> de los niveles<\/span> de formaci\u00f3n<\/span> de nuestros<\/span> j\u00f3venes<\/span>, que<\/span> tienen<\/span> que<\/span> salir<\/span> del pa\u00eds<\/span> para<\/span> adecuar<\/span> su<\/span> formaci\u00f3n<\/span> con la realidad<\/span> del mercado<\/span> laboral\u201d<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

En el turno<\/span> de preguntas<\/span> que<\/span> efectuaron<\/span> los estudiantes<\/span> destac\u00f3<\/span> la que<\/span> citamos<\/span> al principio<\/span>, que<\/span> fue<\/span> recibida<\/span>, por<\/span> lo espont\u00e1neo<\/span>, con risas<\/span> y aplausos<\/span>:<\/p>\n

\u00bfCONF\u00cdAS<\/span> EN ARTUR<\/span> MAS?<\/strong><\/p>\n

La respuesta<\/span> del profesor<\/span> Junqueras<\/span> fue<\/span>: \u201cConf\u00edo<\/span>, quiero<\/span> confiar<\/span> y necesito<\/span> confiar<\/span>, y los matices<\/span> que<\/span> se derivan<\/span> de estas<\/span> tres<\/span> respuestas<\/span> en una<\/span>, como<\/span> la Sant\u00edsima<\/span> Trinidad, ilustran<\/span> la complejidad<\/span> de la situaci\u00f3n<\/span>, y no quiero<\/span> a\u00f1adir<\/span> m\u00e1s\u201d<\/span><\/strong>. Lo que<\/span> est\u00e1<\/span> claro<\/span> es<\/span> que<\/span> para<\/span> muchos<\/span> votantes<\/span> de izquierdas<\/span> se les hace<\/span> dif\u00edcil<\/span> entender<\/span> los equilibrios<\/span> que<\/span> est\u00e1<\/span> haciendo<\/span> ERC<\/span>. Por<\/span> una<\/span> parte<\/span> el se\u00f1or<\/span> Junqueras<\/span> fue<\/span> nombrado<\/span> oficialmente<\/span> el jefe<\/span> de la oposici\u00f3n<\/span>, y por<\/span> otra<\/span> parte<\/span>, su<\/span> partido<\/span> mantiene<\/span> una<\/span> coalici\u00f3n<\/span> parlamentaria<\/span> con el gobierno<\/span> de CiU<\/span>, pactando<\/span> programas<\/span> de gobierno<\/span> en diferentes<\/span> materias<\/span> con el presidente<\/span> Artur<\/span> Mas<\/span>, al que<\/span> ERC<\/span> ayud\u00f3<\/span> a ser<\/span> presidente<\/span> de la Generalitat<\/span>. Pero<\/span> el joven<\/span>, que<\/span> tiene<\/span> madera<\/span> de periodista<\/span>, repregunt\u00f3<\/span> citando<\/span> al presidente<\/span> de Foment, Joaqu\u00edn<\/span> Gay de Montell\u00e0<\/span>, que<\/span> recientemente<\/span> ha vuelto<\/span> a insistir<\/span> en lo que<\/span> la propia<\/span> CiU<\/span> defend\u00eda<\/span> hasta<\/span> hace<\/span> poco<\/span>, el pacto<\/span> fiscal: \u201cEl dirigente<\/span> de la gran<\/span> patronal que<\/span> dijo<\/span> que<\/span> siempre<\/span> hab\u00eda<\/span> apostado<\/span> por<\/span> el pacto<\/span> fiscal\u2026, de momento<\/span> la apuesta<\/span> no la ha ganado<\/span> ni<\/span> una<\/span> vez<\/span>. Yo<\/span> no s\u00e9<\/span> si<\/span> confiar\u00eda<\/span> los intereses<\/span> de mis<\/span> empresas<\/span> a alguien<\/span> que<\/span> nunca<\/span> gana<\/span> ninguna<\/span> apuesta<\/span>, y que<\/span> adem\u00e1s<\/span> de no ganarlas<\/span>, persiste<\/span> en una<\/span> apuesta<\/span> que<\/span> no tiene<\/span> ninguna<\/span> perspectiva<\/span> de ganar\u201d<\/span><\/strong>, dijo<\/span> Junqueras<\/span>.<\/p>\n

\u00bfY SI NO SE CELEBRARA<\/span> EL REFERENDO<\/span>?<\/strong><\/p>\n

El momento<\/span> en que<\/span> el dirigente<\/span> de ERC<\/span> recibi\u00f3<\/span> m\u00e1s<\/span> aplausos<\/span> fue<\/span> cuando<\/span>, respondiendo<\/span> a otro<\/span> alumno<\/span> que<\/span> la hab\u00eda<\/span> preguntado<\/span> qu\u00e9<\/span> pasar\u00eda<\/span> si<\/span> no se celebraba<\/span> la consulta<\/span> y ten\u00edamos<\/span> que<\/span> ir<\/span> a unas<\/span> elecciones<\/span> plebiscitarias<\/span>, se\u00f1al\u00f3<\/span> Junqueras<\/span>: \u201cNo especular\u00e9<\/span> sobre<\/span> escenarios<\/span> alternativos<\/span>, cuando<\/span> el mejor<\/span> escenario<\/span> que<\/span> tenemos<\/span> es<\/span> el del referendo<\/span>, y si<\/span> especulo<\/span> debilito<\/span> el referendo<\/span>. Si entrara<\/span> en ese<\/span> campo<\/span> de especulaci\u00f3n<\/span>, aqu\u00ed<\/span>, los compa\u00f1eros<\/span> de la prensa<\/span>, har\u00edan<\/span> un titular de demisiones<\/span> c\u00f3smicas<\/span> sobre<\/span> mis<\/span> dudas<\/span>, y yo<\/span> no pongo<\/span> en duda<\/span> nada, y menos<\/span> el referendo<\/span>, que<\/span> lo habr\u00e1<\/span> e ir\u00e1n<\/span> a votar<\/span> Dios<\/span> y su<\/span> madre<\/span>. La pregunta<\/span> m\u00e1s<\/span> interesante<\/span> no es<\/span> qu\u00e9<\/span> pasar\u00e1<\/span> si<\/span> no podemos<\/span> votar<\/span>, sino<\/span> qu\u00e9<\/span> har\u00e1<\/span> el Estado<\/span> para<\/span> impedir<\/span> que<\/span> votemos<\/span>, porque<\/span> seg\u00fan<\/span> lo que<\/span> hagan<\/span>, nos estar\u00e1n<\/span> regalando<\/span> la victoria a la vista de todo<\/span> el mundo<\/span>. Tenemos<\/span> que<\/span> intentar<\/span> tener<\/span> la m\u00e1xima<\/span> tranquilidad<\/span> de esp\u00edritu<\/span>, porque<\/span> habr\u00e1<\/span> campa\u00f1as<\/span> de todo<\/span> tipo<\/span>. El referendo<\/span> es<\/span> insustituible<\/span> y no nos resistiremos<\/span> a no votar\u201d<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

\"junqueras<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

Junqueras<\/span> tambi\u00e9n<\/span> respondi\u00f3<\/span> a preguntas<\/span> sobre<\/span> los \u201cmecanismos<\/span> de interpretaci\u00f3n\u201d<\/span> <\/strong>de los resultados<\/span> de la doble<\/span> pregunta<\/span> que<\/span> se har\u00e1<\/span> a los ciudadanos<\/span>. Dijo<\/span> que<\/span> ser\u00e1n<\/span> \u201cmecanismos<\/span> de sentido<\/span> com\u00fan\u201d<\/span><\/strong>, y vaticin\u00f3<\/span> que<\/span> el s\u00ed-s\u00ed<\/span> obtendr\u00eda<\/span> m\u00e1s<\/span> del \u201c60% de los votos\u201d<\/span> <\/strong>si<\/span> todos<\/span> los convencidos<\/span> van a votar<\/span>, y a\u00f1adi\u00f3<\/span>: \u201cLos que<\/span> piensan<\/span> votar<\/span> s\u00ed-no<\/span>, que<\/span> es<\/span> muy<\/span> leg\u00edtimo<\/span> y respetable<\/span>, se las<\/span> har\u00e1<\/span> muy<\/span> dif\u00edcil<\/span> cuando<\/span> vean<\/span> que<\/span> el decir<\/span> no a la segunda<\/span> pregunta<\/span> no les garantiza<\/span> ninguna<\/span> esperanza<\/span> en que<\/span> mejoren<\/span> las<\/span> relaciones<\/span> entre<\/span> la sociedad<\/span> catalana<\/span> y la espa\u00f1ola<\/span>. Para convencer<\/span> a los indecisos<\/span> tenemos<\/span> un aliado<\/span> magn\u00edfico<\/span>, el Estado<\/span> espa\u00f1ol\u201d<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

\u00bfUNA<\/span> CATALUNYA<\/span> FUERA<\/span> DE LA UE<\/span>?<\/strong><\/p>\n

El l\u00edder<\/span> independentista<\/span> tambi\u00e9n<\/span> sali\u00f3<\/span> al paso<\/span> de las<\/span> declaraciones<\/span> del actual presidente<\/span> de la Comisi\u00f3n<\/span> Europea<\/span>, el se\u00f1or<\/span> Jos\u00e9<\/span> Manuel Durao<\/span> Barroso<\/span>, que<\/span> dijo<\/span> que<\/span> ser\u00eda<\/span> muy<\/span> dif\u00edcil<\/span> que<\/span> una<\/span> Catalunya<\/span> independiente<\/span> entrara<\/span> en la Uni\u00f3n<\/span> Europea<\/span>: \u201cEl se\u00f1or<\/span> Barroso<\/span> tiene<\/span> poca<\/span> credibilidad<\/span>, ya<\/span> que<\/span> apoy\u00f3<\/span> la guerra<\/span> de Irak<\/span> y dijo<\/span> que<\/span> hab\u00eda<\/span> armas<\/span> de destrucci\u00f3n<\/span> masiva\u201d<\/span><\/strong>. El ejecutivo<\/span> comunitario<\/span> ya<\/span> matiz\u00f3<\/span> las<\/span> palabras<\/span> de su<\/span> presidente<\/span> diciendo<\/span> que<\/span> las<\/span> futuras<\/span> consecuencias<\/span> legales<\/span> de la independencia<\/span> de Escocia<\/span> o Catalunya<\/span> se expresar\u00e1n<\/span> cuando<\/span> alg\u00fan<\/span> miembro<\/span> lo pida<\/span>, y se plantee<\/span> un escenario<\/span> preciso<\/span>. Pero<\/span> Junqueras<\/span> despleg\u00f3<\/span> toda<\/span> una<\/span> bater\u00eda<\/span> de argumentos<\/span> para<\/span> disipar<\/span> el miedo<\/span> a una<\/span> Catalunya<\/span> independiente<\/span> fuera<\/span> de la UE<\/span>: \u201cNosotros<\/span> ya<\/span> somos<\/span> ciudadanos<\/span> de la UE<\/span>, y no hay ning\u00fan<\/span> mecanismo<\/span> jur\u00eddico<\/span> establecido<\/span> en los tratados<\/span> constitucionales<\/span> de la UE<\/span>, para<\/span> excluir<\/span> de la ciudadan\u00eda<\/span> europea<\/span>, a aquellos<\/span> que<\/span> ya<\/span> son ciudadanos<\/span>. Nosotros<\/span> cumplimos<\/span> todas<\/span> las<\/span> condiciones<\/span> que<\/span> se exigir\u00edan<\/span> para<\/span> la entrada<\/span> de un nuevo<\/span> miembro<\/span>, nosotros<\/span> ya<\/span> lo somos<\/span>, y cumplimos<\/span> todas<\/span> las<\/span> condiciones<\/span>, ser\u00eda<\/span> un contrasentido<\/span> jur\u00eddico<\/span> que<\/span> nos impidieran<\/span> la entrada<\/span> cuando<\/span> cumplimos<\/span> estas<\/span> exigencias<\/span>. El \u00fanico<\/span> argumento<\/span> en el que<\/span> se basaba<\/span> Barroso<\/span> era en el veto del Estado<\/span> espa\u00f1ol<\/span>, pero<\/span> habr\u00eda<\/span> que<\/span> ver<\/span> si<\/span> los otros<\/span> miembros<\/span> de la UE<\/span> aceptar\u00edan<\/span> un veto que<\/span> pusiera<\/span> en cuesti\u00f3n<\/span> la europeidad<\/span> de una<\/span> Catalunya<\/span> independiente<\/span>. El Estado<\/span> espa\u00f1ol<\/span> no quiere<\/span> reconocer<\/span> a Kosovo, pero<\/span> en cambio<\/span> Kosovo es<\/span> beneficiaria<\/span> de todas<\/span> las<\/span> libertades<\/span> fundamentales<\/span> de la UE<\/span>, en una<\/span> decisi\u00f3n<\/span> adoptada<\/span> por<\/span> las<\/span> instituciones<\/span> al margen<\/span> de cualquier<\/span> votaci\u00f3n<\/span>. Espa\u00f1a<\/span> no pudo<\/span> votar<\/span>, no le dejaron<\/span> ni<\/span> votar<\/span>, ni<\/span> nadie<\/span> le pregunt\u00f3<\/span> al Estado<\/span> espa\u00f1ol<\/span> si<\/span> quer\u00eda<\/span> ejercer<\/span> un veto sobre<\/span> la libre<\/span> circulaci\u00f3n<\/span> de personas, capital, de bienes<\/span> y de servicios<\/span> de los kosovares\u201d<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Pero<\/span> a los argumentos<\/span> pol\u00edticos<\/span>, Junqueras<\/span> a\u00f1adi\u00f3<\/span> los econ\u00f3micos<\/span>:<\/p>\n

\u201cEl 70% de las<\/span> exportaciones<\/span> de Espa\u00f1a<\/span> hacia<\/span> Europa<\/span> pasan<\/span> por<\/span> Catalunya<\/span>, ser\u00eda<\/span> extra\u00f1o<\/span> que<\/span> quisieran<\/span> dificultar<\/span> este<\/span> tr\u00e1nsito<\/span>. Al margen<\/span> de lo que<\/span> quiera<\/span> el gobierno<\/span> espa\u00f1ol<\/span>, que<\/span> es<\/span> muy<\/span> leg\u00edtimo<\/span> y lo respetamos<\/span>, hay otras<\/span> opiniones<\/span> que<\/span> son significativas<\/span> en el mundo<\/span>, y entre<\/span> esas<\/span> opiniones<\/span> est\u00e1n<\/span> las<\/span> de muchas<\/span> grandes<\/span> empresas<\/span> que<\/span> tienen<\/span> sede<\/span> en Catalunya<\/span> y que<\/span> tienen<\/span> inter\u00e9s<\/span> en que<\/span> la econom\u00eda<\/span> catalana<\/span> siga<\/span> siendo<\/span> tan abierta<\/span> como<\/span> es<\/span> o m\u00e1s<\/span>. Se me ocurren<\/span> algunos<\/span> nombres<\/span> de dirigentes<\/span> de empresas<\/span> que<\/span>, a lo mejor<\/span>, cuando<\/span> llamen<\/span> a ciertos<\/span> dirigentes<\/span> pol\u00edticos<\/span> europeos<\/span> ser\u00e1n<\/span> m\u00e1s<\/span> sensibles<\/span> que<\/span> cuando<\/span> los llama el presidente<\/span> del gobierno<\/span> espa\u00f1ol\u201d<\/span><\/strong>. Despu\u00e9s<\/span> de hablar<\/span> de la deuda<\/span> de las<\/span> administraciones<\/span> p\u00fablicas<\/span> espa\u00f1olas<\/span> y catalanas<\/span>, Junqueras<\/span> arranc\u00f3<\/span> unas<\/span> risas<\/span> de la concurrencia<\/span> cuando<\/span> hizo<\/span> un silencio<\/span> dram\u00e1tico<\/span> despu\u00e9s<\/span> de decir<\/span>: \u201cLa deuda<\/span> de la Generalitat<\/span> est\u00e1<\/span> nominada<\/span> con el titulo<\/span> de deuda<\/span> del Reino<\/span> de Espa\u00f1a<\/span>, no de la Generalitat<\/span> de Catalunya\u201d<\/span><\/strong>.<\/p>\n

USTED<\/span>, SE\u00d1OR<\/span> ORIOL<\/span>, \u00bfA QU\u00c9<\/span> INTERESES<\/span> REPRESENTA<\/span>?<\/strong><\/p>\n

A punto<\/span> de finalizar<\/span> el acto<\/span>, un joven<\/span> rompi\u00f3<\/span> el ambiente<\/span> c\u00f3modo<\/span> y verdaderamente<\/span> propicio<\/span> en que<\/span> se desarroll\u00f3<\/span> el debate con el presidente<\/span> de ERC<\/span>. El estudiante<\/span> sac\u00f3<\/span> a colaci\u00f3n<\/span> la visita<\/span> que<\/span> hizo<\/span><\/p>\n

Oriol<\/span> Junqueras<\/span> a las<\/span> instalaciones<\/span> de la f\u00e1brica<\/span> textil<\/span> Mango, presidida<\/span> por<\/span> Isaac Andic<\/span>, con el que<\/span> Junqueras<\/span> se fotografi\u00f3<\/span>, subiendo<\/span> la imagen<\/span> al muro<\/span> de su<\/span> Facebook, con el pie de foto<\/span> siguiente<\/span>: \u201cApostar<\/span> por<\/span> la industria<\/span> propia<\/span> es<\/span> una<\/span> prioridad\u201d<\/span><\/strong>. El joven<\/span> que<\/span> interpel\u00f3<\/span> a Junqueras<\/span> le pregunt\u00f3<\/span>: \u201c\u00bfEs<\/span> este<\/span> el modelo<\/span> productivo<\/span> de ERC<\/span> para<\/span> la Catalunya<\/span> del futuro<\/span>? Usted<\/span>, se\u00f1or<\/span> Oriol<\/span>, \u00bfa qu\u00e9<\/span> intereses<\/span> representa<\/span>?\u201d<\/strong>, le record\u00f3<\/span> que<\/span> Mango no quiso<\/span> indemnizar<\/span> a las<\/span> v\u00edctimas<\/span> de Bangladesh, donde<\/span> el derrumbe<\/span> de un edificio<\/span> de empresas<\/span> textiles produjo<\/span> 1.100 muertos<\/span>, hombres, mujeres y ni\u00f1os<\/span>. Mango, a trav\u00e9s<\/span> de la empresa<\/span> Phaton<\/span> Tac<\/span>, fabricaba<\/span> prendas<\/span> all\u00ed<\/span>. El pasado<\/span> diciembre<\/span>, tras<\/span> la presi\u00f3n<\/span> popular, cuatro<\/span> empresas<\/span> textiles que<\/span> operaban<\/span> en el edificio<\/span> siniestrado<\/span> decidieron<\/span> financiar<\/span> un fondo<\/span> de 40 millones<\/span> para<\/span> indemnizar<\/span> a las<\/span> v\u00edctimas<\/span>. Mango se desvincul\u00f3<\/span> del acuerdo<\/span> aduciendo<\/span> que<\/span> la empresa<\/span> contratada<\/span> a\u00fan<\/span> no hab\u00eda<\/span> empezado<\/span> a fabricar<\/span> sus<\/span> prendas<\/span>, cosa<\/span> que<\/span> el The New York Times <\/em>desmont\u00f3<\/span> en un reportaje<\/span> donde<\/span> se inclu\u00edan<\/span> varias<\/span> entrevistas<\/span> con los trabajadores<\/span>, que<\/span> dijeron<\/span> que<\/span> ya<\/span> estaban<\/span> confeccionando<\/span> prendas<\/span> para<\/span> Mango. Junqueras<\/span>, visiblemente<\/span> molesto<\/span>, le dijo<\/span>: \u201cVente<\/span> conmigo<\/span> un d\u00eda<\/span> a visitar<\/span> a los trabajadores<\/span> de Mango y les dices todo<\/span> eso<\/span>, que<\/span> son asesinos<\/span>, c\u00f3mplices<\/span> de no s\u00e9<\/span> qu\u00e9<\/span>, y agresivos<\/span> con el medio<\/span> ambiente\u2026<\/span>, ven<\/span>, te<\/span> lo digo<\/span> en serio\u201d<\/span><\/strong>. Aqu\u00ed<\/span> el se\u00f1or<\/span> Junqueras<\/span> hizo<\/span> un poco<\/span> de trampa<\/span>, ya<\/span> que<\/span> el joven<\/span>, l\u00f3gicamente<\/span>, no se refer\u00eda<\/span> a los trabajadores<\/span>, sino<\/span> a los dirigentes<\/span> de la empresa<\/span>, pero<\/span> sigui\u00f3<\/span> el l\u00edder<\/span> de ERC<\/span>:\u201cMango es<\/span> una<\/span> empresa<\/span>, como<\/span> tantas<\/span> de nuestro<\/span> pa\u00eds<\/span>, que<\/span> es<\/span> posible<\/span> que<\/span> hagan<\/span> cosas<\/span> mal, pero<\/span> para<\/span> ello<\/span> hay tribunales<\/span> que<\/span> los deben<\/span> juzgar<\/span> llegado<\/span> el caso<\/span>, pero<\/span> es<\/span> evidente<\/span> que<\/span> es<\/span> una<\/span> empresa<\/span> que<\/span> genera riqueza<\/span> en nuestro<\/span> pa\u00eds<\/span>, entre<\/span> otras<\/span> formas<\/span> mediante<\/span> la contrataci\u00f3n<\/span> de miles de personas que<\/span> trabajan<\/span> en muchos<\/span> \u00e1mbitos<\/span> de esta<\/span> compa\u00f1\u00eda<\/span>. Es<\/span> muy<\/span> importante<\/span> que<\/span> tengamos<\/span> empresas<\/span> que<\/span> importen<\/span>, y tenemos<\/span> que<\/span> ser<\/span> muy<\/span> exigentes<\/span> en el comportamientos<\/span> de estas<\/span> empresas<\/span> en el mundo<\/span>, siempre<\/span> que<\/span> podamos\u2026\u201d<\/span><\/strong>. Luego<\/span> se sali\u00f3<\/span> por<\/span> la tangente<\/span> explicando<\/span> c\u00f3mo<\/span> los trabajadores<\/span> de muchas<\/span> multinacionales<\/span> participan<\/span> en los consejos<\/span> de administraci\u00f3n<\/span> y lo necesario<\/span> que<\/span> son estas<\/span> compa\u00f1\u00edas<\/span> para<\/span> acabar<\/span> con el paro<\/span> y mejorar<\/span> la econom\u00eda<\/span>, unas<\/span> obviedades<\/span> que<\/span> no respond\u00edan<\/span> a la pregunta<\/span> del joven<\/span>, que<\/span> resumiendo<\/span> era si<\/span> ERC<\/span> en casos<\/span> fragantes<\/span> como<\/span> el citado<\/span>, pondr\u00edan<\/span> por<\/span> encima<\/span> los intereses<\/span> econ\u00f3micos<\/span> a los de las<\/span> personas. Un servidor<\/span> sali\u00f3<\/span> de all\u00ed<\/span> con la duda<\/span>.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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